R19 16v ph2 lowering

Site Subscriber Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 150

hi i need a step by step guide for lowering a 19, i know its suppose to be easy, but just need someone to tell me how to do it. i have seen a guide on the net about lowering a clio, i dont know if they are the same there guide said some thing about putting a trolley jack underneath the centre bracket and turning it one click??
any help would be helpful.
thanx dave

Forum Moderator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 1356

http://www.daz-uk.com/cliosport/guides/lowering-torsion-bar/

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

Sounds like we need a tech artictle chris Smile

I snapped a proper renault torsion bar tool in my 19's bar, pain in the ass

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

the whole trolley jackin the middle on that guide is daft, I have done many a torsion bar lowering and I never do it like that.

Also one spline shite is just that, shite. you set the trailign arm the amount you want to lower it then turn the torsion bar until it slides in.

Will do a guide later, to tired to do one now.

Site Subscriber Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 150

hi soneji thats the one i'm on about what does he mean by the centre bracket.????
cant you just pull out the bars, lift the suspension arm up a little then slide them back in. or would that be to easy. just not sure what he means. i think i'm being fick.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

ignore that bit, lift the arm and stick it back in.

Site Subscriber Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 150

nice one i will try it ina couple of weeks. this place is a lot better than other clubs i can mention;-)

Forum Moderator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 1356

Yip thats what we are aiming for, a small group of enthusiasts!

Site Subscriber Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 150

right i had a go at lowering it today, got one of the front shocks of no probs, got some spring compressers, took the old springs off and i had a look at the new springs and they are completely different there bigger, the springs fit in the bottom cup but not the top cup, anyway i thought i will get the proper springs next week but i will lower the back, got my bit of 10mm studding, nut ,washer and socket, could not get the torsion bar out it was well siezed in there it even stripped the threads on the nut, and the side skirt was in the way. anybody got any ideas as i might say fuckit and get someone else to do it.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

The spirngs, sounds like your trying to fit 16V springs on a non 16V strut.

16V's run parallel springs whilst all the others run tapered (cone shaped, wide at the bottom thinner at the top) springs.

Get both rear wheels off the ground, unbolt both the lower rear shocker bolts (do this with the car one the ground cos its easier), make sure the bar ends arre well plus gas'd or wd-40'd up bounce the trailing arm to help wourk it in. Should slide out then cos theres no pressure on them.

Ands take the skirts off and get the holes that will be there welded up.

Site Subscriber Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 150

right i desperatly need some help now. i got the right springs got some new front shocks as well put them on lovely. i thought cant really be arsed with the back coz it looked fairly rusted, so i took it to a local tuining comp, near me and they said that they would do it for Â£80 all in. anyway i have had a fone call from them to say they have spent 2hrs trying to get the torsion bar out and it is well siezed in, and they cant get it out they have tried all sorts of thing "apparently". they have said i will need a new rear beam. is there anything i can do or are they just tossers, the car looks a basterd with just the front lowerd. any help would be appreicaited or if you have a rear beam and live in east anglia.

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

ask if theyve try using a blow torch on it...other than that it sounds like too much hard work to me just for lowering

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

they are tossers.

Blowtorch and some plus gas.

Site Subscriber Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 150

right i have got the car back, and they have given the torsion bars some serious teddy, they have even stripped the thread in one of the bars, so i have no fuckin chance of getting them out. i could not believe they stripped the threads i did get a bit shirty. yeah johnnyboy thats it i'm gonna leave it but the front is lowerd.

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

whats plus gas?

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

i havent done a torsion bar, and i might have got the wrong end of the stick, but i think i read somewhere that you can just hammer the torsion bar in on one side so that the other side pops out, then hammer it back the other way.

Or am i talking out of my arse?

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

yeah...i think...i think its actually two bars that meet in a boss in the middle...so knocking one end wil push the other bar free....thenmaybe u would have the bar u hit floating free, but just on the inside instead...no prob.

but i too may be talkin out my arse lol

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

arse talking. The outer splinges in the bracket are bigger than the dia of the bar so you can only hammer it in and jam it properly.

However, Dave, if they can get 1 bar out then they can use a long metal rod to hit the stripped one out.

Where abouts are you? If need be I have torsion bars in good nick, even a whole rear beam if needed.

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

which bit was arse talking?

if the splines are bigger than the bar how would hitting them in jam it up?

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

you cannot hammer something that has splines bigger than the overall diameter of the bat into a hole that just clears the bar.

The bar is a metal rod, the inner bit has splines that are no bigger than the overall dia of the rod, the outer bracket end has large splines, not rocket science.

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

i see...so the splines are just cut on the end of the bar dia itself...so there is a brkt in the middle?