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u33db
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Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:02 am |
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Given the success of fitting the Williams wide track to my old 16v last year, I’m thinking of doing it again…but to my 1.2 and doing the labour myself to save cash.
Now, the usual list runs Willy shafts, Willy wishbones, Willy ARB and Willy Shocks – beyond that I assume all I’d need extra is 16v or Williams Hubs/Hub carriers to cure the strut bolt hole spacing issue but aside from that I’m left with 3 issues;
Firstly, I’ll be using the 1.2 sub-frame – once the wishbones go on will they extend as far as they would had I be using a 16v or Williams sub-frame? I assume they will as people have done valver conversion on RTs etc and kept the sub-frame but I just need to clarify!
Secondly, as I’m just widening the track to Williams spec but keeping the 1.2 engine and gearbox will the Williams shafts mate up with my gearbox - will they fit properly in the gearbox to hub space without being loose or knocking?
Lastly, I’ll be doing the work myself and just have access to axle stands – is it easy enough to get the drives-hafts in and out and roughly how long does it take to do?
That should be everything covered I think…i'm sticking with the 1.2 arches so that should save so cash too but if anyone’s got any other problems I might hit please post them up!
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Chris H
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Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:56 am |
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subframe is essentially the same, there strengthening differences but its still the same basic shape.
yes the shafts will fit.
I don't have anything else and can change both shafts assuming the roll pin comes out easily in about half an hour.
arches might catch |
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u33db
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Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:37 pm |
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Brilliant - that clears everything up for me. R.E the arches issue, i'm sticking with a 165 width tyre on a 14" wheel to get round that - got 20mm clearance per side ATM so the extra 18mm the willy setup will add should *touches wood* be ok.
Another quick question - i can use a s/h R19 16v ARB instead of the willy item but i've heard that the meganes were basically remodelled 19's. this being the case, can i use an ARB from one of those or are they all/some different? I've seen a pic of a 1.4e ARB and it looked like the willy...same with the wishbones too...?
BTW - this site is ace for info...i got no response on CS...seems like they're more concerned with washing their cars rather than working with them! |
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pringe
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Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:37 pm |
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BTW - this site is ace for info...i got no response on CS...seems like they're more concerned with washing their cars rather than working with them! |
just look at their tech page to see how technical they actually get! |
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u33db
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:14 am |
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lol True and I'll be having a serious think at renewal time! 
Bump for Megane question. |
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Chris H
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:52 am |
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tyres will still catch, static there may be clearence but tyres deform a lot under load.
not 100% sure but in theory yes.
Intresting yet pointless fact the 19's use the same bar all model the megane coupe and cabrio use a 2mm narrower bar than the 19 and the rest of the megane range. |
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u33db
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:28 am |
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Excellent - thats what i wanted to hear! 
Tyres wise you could be right but i think i'll risk it; I've only lowered the car 35mm and theres a good 20/30mm tyre > arch distance both vertical and horizontal so i reckon i can blag it.
Once again many thanks - pics up once its on... |
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u33db
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:33 am |
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Oh, what about wishbones - am i right in thinking that if all R19s share the same ARB they'll share exactly the same wishbones too...and these are shared with all meganes (bar the 2 you mentioned)? |
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Chris H
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:38 am |
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nah the 19 16V wishbones are longer, the arb is the same but the clamping position for the arb is further up. |
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u33db
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:48 am |
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matbrown
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:24 am |
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[quote="Chris H";p="29442"]tyres will still catch, static there may be clearence but tyres deform a lot under load.
not 100% sure but in theory yes.
Intresting yet pointless fact the 19's use the same bar all model the megane coupe and cabrio use a 2mm narrower bar than the 19 and the rest of the megane range.[/quote]
Chris,
Are you saying that all 19's have the same ARB as the non coupe/cab Meganes? Which is in essence the same as the Williams?
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Dan
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:28 am |
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only the 16v's not all 19's. |
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Chris H
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:30 am |
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yes and all 19's share the same arb wether its a 1.2 or 16V. |
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matbrown
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:30 am |
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I was more concerned with the relationship to the megane as i have just tried fitting one sold by u33db and it was too long.
Mat. |
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Chris H
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:36 am |
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you need the willy wishbones on there for the reach for it to fit properly. |
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matbrown
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:42 am |
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I have brand new williams wishbones, ARB bushes and suspension.
The only 2nd hand parts are the steering rack, Driveshafts and ARB which were supplied by u33db.
I have since found the ARB to be too long for the wishbones and at least one of the driveshafts to be too long, will have to check the rack now as well i think.
Was wondering why the ARB was too long if they are all the same?
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u33db
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:25 am |
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Shafts were supposed to be williams items supplied by infinicar, tho i had no point of reference to confirm this other than the fact thats what i asked for. 
Steering rack is 100% a clio 16v item bought new from a dealership back in 2003-ish. BRUN on CS/WC who bought my old 16v will likely have the original receipt for this though and it was fitted to that car (with a williams setup) at one point.
ARB as i said last night, came from a mk1 megane 1.6 off ebay. Beyond what was said here i'd have thought it should fit. Odd... |
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Chris H
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:51 am |
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it should fit, the part number is the same! |
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BRUN
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:43 pm |
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could have a look if you wanted |
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arj256
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:55 pm |
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Is it worthwidetracking a 1.2 as i found they dont go fast enough to be pushed on alot of corners within reason, surely a 16v setup should be good enough for a 1.2? |
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u33db
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Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:03 pm |
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| Is it worthwidetracking a 1.2 as i found they dont go fast enough to be pushed on alot of corners within reason, surely a 16v setup should be good enough for a 1.2? |
This is an old thread...from back when i had money to do such crazy things! 
In regard to fitting the 16v setup i've done it but TBH if you can't bury the throttle flat through a corner then theres room for improvement. |
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