renault 19 brakes - Retro-Renault

mercedes · 24th September 2007, 01:20 PM

hello to all this is my first post , but think iam doing it right ,
i have a renault 19 16v karman softop , and have a serious brake problem ,
sorry to ask for help so soon in my first post , electric motor on the brakes is not getting any power so no servo assistance .so no brakes !!!! , if i hot wire the motor the motor runs and brakes ,fine , the relays are ok ,on the board near the windscreen ,
can i leave the motor running all the time to restore the brakes ?? or is that too dangerous ?? how do i check to see where the power should come from , i have only 2 volts comming to it from the board ! so thats why it wont run ,as it needs 12 volts , any help/advice welcome , i love this car and want it back on the road asap regards to all in advance ,

**bidderman1969** · 24th September 2007, 01:25 PM

sounds like "them" brakes to me, get them taken out if it is

MicKPM · 24th September 2007, 01:41 PM

I'd try and remove the ABS if I were you as this system is more trouble than its worth (Seems everyone with it is either catching fire or losing brake power at the minute).

**bidderman1969** · 24th September 2007, 01:45 PM

im going to be removing them from my 19 soon as i can, but as im not driving it at the mo, doesnt matter, but i shall sell it when removed as i know it works ok

**The T.I.B.** · 24th September 2007, 01:53 PM

Your system sounds very much like the 'Bendix' ABS system, superceded by a Bosch version in later models.

I know someone who has had the motor feed directly connected - although through an on/off switch in the cabin.

I wouldn't recommend this. I would recommend stripping out the braking system and installing either the Bosch ABS version or the standard direct brakes. I speak from personal experience as my motor caught fire a fortnight ago. Luckily I was near the car or the whole lot would have gone up.

**Neal** · 24th September 2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MicKPM

(Seems everyone with it is either catching fire or losing brake power at the minute)[/i].

Yep, seems like we've reached Bendix Doomsday just recently.

I'd say all the 19's with the Bendix system that are actually still on the road (can't be that many) really are living on borrowed time now.

Mercedes: Yes you could hardwire it with a switch if it works like that, but normally the pump cuts in and out as the pressure in the accumulator varies. If you have it on permanently, how long is it going to work for before something pops? I don't know but personally I wouldn't drive it or be a passenger in it.

don't suppose the MOT man would like it much either.

Doc · 24th September 2007, 03:35 PM

can you not just put the bosch abs on? surely it's less work than taking the engine out and re piping the braking system.

**Neal** · 24th September 2007, 03:38 PM

You could do. Would be MUCH more work though. The Bosch ABS system still requires the normal non-Bendix servo pedal box setup etc. so you have to do all the same work as removing the ABS entirely, then the Bosch hydraulic plumbing and wiring on top of that.

I thought about fitting Bosch to my black one. Too much hassle for me though, and that wasn't even Bendix to begin with.

Doc · 24th September 2007, 03:42 PM

lol, just buy a non ABS or Bosch one in the first place then.

must admit, I'm missing my 19s, need to get another one, or kill the megane and use it as a donor. (Insurance should be a nice amount) MUHAWHAW!!!

Gentle Ben · 24th September 2007, 04:56 PM

Until they see that post haha

mercedes · 24th September 2007, 10:32 PM

thanks for replys .. how do i repair ?? change it , is it the ecu thats the fault not supplying power to motor , could it be the sensors ?? do the call the whole assy a bendix ? its got a motor and a sphere on it ! regards

mojomoh · 25th September 2007, 06:43 AM

Like the others say, this sounds like the Bendix system which is the whole system including the ABS computer and is completely different to the Bosch system. (Or the direct system for that matter).

You could spend a shed load of time and money trying to find which bit of the system has failed and get nowhere.

Correct advice I am sure is to remove the system completely and replace it with standard direct brakes. Bonus is that the brake feel is much improved.

mercedes · 25th September 2007, 12:21 PM

ok, from which model do i go for ? to get the stuff ? i guess its a common problem , the car is totaly mint 79k m reg ,leather seats, alloys momo s/wheel sports exhaust burgandy colour , offers???

**Wicked Neo** · 25th September 2007, 01:33 PM

get the parts from a non abs 19 16v, plenty of ppl breaking 19s on ebay and the like.

24th September 2007, 01:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
mercedes Membre de bébé Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 9 Found us:	renault 19 brakes hello to all this is my first post , but think iam doing it right , i have a renault 19 16v karman softop , and have a serious brake problem , sorry to ask for help so soon in my first post , electric motor on the brakes is not getting any power so no servo assistance .so no brakes !!!! , if i hot wire the motor the motor runs and brakes ,fine , the relays are ok ,on the board near the windscreen , can i leave the motor running all the time to restore the brakes ?? or is that too dangerous ?? how do i check to see where the power should come from , i have only 2 volts comming to it from the board ! so thats why it wont run ,as it needs 12 volts , any help/advice welcome , i love this car and want it back on the road asap regards to all in advance ,

24th September 2007, 01:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
bidderman1969 detailer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North of Portsmouth Hampshire Posts: 10,429 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 7 Found us:	sounds like "them" brakes to me, get them taken out if it is __________________ *Dont ask me for any technical info* oh, and never argue with an idiot, they will only drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience

24th September 2007, 01:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
bidderman1969 detailer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North of Portsmouth Hampshire Posts: 10,429 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 7 Found us:	im going to be removing them from my 19 soon as i can, but as im not driving it at the mo, doesnt matter, but i shall sell it when removed as i know it works ok __________________ *Dont ask me for any technical info* oh, and never argue with an idiot, they will only drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience

24th September 2007, 01:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
The T.I.B. is rarely serious Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 9,812 The T.I.B.'s Garage Awards Showcase Total Awards: 13 Found us:	Your system sounds very much like the 'Bendix' ABS system, superceded by a Bosch version in later models. I know someone who has had the motor feed directly connected - although through an on/off switch in the cabin. I wouldn't recommend this. I would recommend stripping out the braking system and installing either the Bosch ABS version or the standard direct brakes. I speak from personal experience as my motor caught fire a fortnight ago. Luckily I was near the car or the whole lot would have gone up. __________________ 2002-2005.. R19 1.4e Biarritz 2006-2007.. R19 16v Hatch ph2 2007-2009.. R19 16v Chamade ph1 __________________

24th September 2007, 03:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
Neal Bleh Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bristol Posts: 5,973 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 11 Found us:	You could do. Would be MUCH more work though. The Bosch ABS system still requires the normal non-Bendix servo pedal box setup etc. so you have to do all the same work as removing the ABS entirely, then the Bosch hydraulic plumbing and wiring on top of that. I thought about fitting Bosch to my black one. Too much hassle for me though, and that wasn't even Bendix to begin with. __________________ 1988 'E' 11 Turbo Phase 2 - Work in progress 1991 'H' 19 16V phase 1 - finished project 1994 'L' Clio RT - daily runabout 2008 Giant Trance X0 - Fun READ THESE: New Forum Information - How-To: Virtual Garage - How-To: Project Report Your club needs you. Become a member today!

24th September 2007, 01:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
MicKPM Membre abonné Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 979 Found us:	I'd try and remove the ABS if I were you as this system is more trouble than its worth (Seems everyone with it is either catching fire or losing brake power at the minute).

24th September 2007, 03:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Doc Captain Scarlet Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perham Down (Nr Salisbury) Posts: 1,625 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3 Found us:	can you not just put the bosch abs on? surely it's less work than taking the engine out and re piping the braking system.

24th September 2007, 03:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Doc Captain Scarlet Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Perham Down (Nr Salisbury) Posts: 1,625 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3 Found us:	lol, just buy a non ABS or Bosch one in the first place then. must admit, I'm missing my 19s, need to get another one, or kill the megane and use it as a donor. (Insurance should be a nice amount) MUHAWHAW!!!

24th September 2007, 04:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gentle Ben Membre abonné Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Newark on Trent Posts: 1,697 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2 Found us:	Until they see that post haha __________________ '04 Vauxhall Combo 16v CDTi '01 Vauxhall Vectra GSi V6 MSD - 210bhp '90 Renault 19 V6 '90 Renault 19 Cabriolet 16v - 137bhp

24th September 2007, 10:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
mercedes Membre de bébé Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 9 Threadstarter Found us:	thanks for replys .. how do i repair ?? change it , is it the ecu thats the fault not supplying power to motor , could it be the sensors ?? do the call the whole assy a bendix ? its got a motor and a sphere on it ! regards

25th September 2007, 06:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
mojomoh Membre Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: South West France Posts: 228 Found us:	Like the others say, this sounds like the Bendix system which is the whole system including the ABS computer and is completely different to the Bosch system. (Or the direct system for that matter). You could spend a shed load of time and money trying to find which bit of the system has failed and get nowhere. Correct advice I am sure is to remove the system completely and replace it with standard direct brakes. Bonus is that the brake feel is much improved.

25th September 2007, 12:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
mercedes Membre de bébé Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 9 Threadstarter Found us:	ok, from which model do i go for ? to get the stuff ? i guess its a common problem , the car is totaly mint 79k m reg ,leather seats, alloys momo s/wheel sports exhaust burgandy colour , offers???

25th September 2007, 01:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
Wicked Neo Page Ranking and Shows/Meets Admin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Essex UK Posts: 4,537 Wicked Neo's Garage Awards Showcase Total Awards: 17 Found us:	get the parts from a non abs 19 16v, plenty of ppl breaking 19s on ebay and the like. __________________ Project Maxi Buy Retro-Renault Stickers here

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